if chavez was ill -- or could not return, was dying, then chavez would resign and maduro would face elections with a 30 days. >> it could not just be a handover of power. >> he would have to go to the polls. >> is there a script, of the moment -- rift between these two men? are they looking for a different trajectory in terms of the revolution? >> i think basically they get on perfectly well together. you could detect slightly different emphases of the two men. cabello comes from the military, maduro used to be a trade union leader. different backgrounds. but there is no indication that there is much of a power struggle between them. >> you are a writer who respects chavez and you are a fan of chavis as well. but when you look of the revolution and what he has done in terms of the nationalization of utilities and energy companies, how many more legs to keep on going? when you look at the transference of wealth from the rich to the poor, how long can this be sustained? >> i think it should be able to go on. chavez himself always every year would come up with an amazing development. the last on